Anyone else picking up ProEvo08?
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Topic: Anyone else picking up ProEvo08?
Posted By: Brent
Subject: Anyone else picking up ProEvo08?
Date Posted: 03-11-2008 at 8:49pm
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I am not giddy like a schoolgirl excited about this game as I have read enough reviews to know what I am getting into. Mostly play mock World Cup games and exhibitions but will slog through the ML with one of the licensed leagues or make a fictional world league. I hear online play is really bad with this one but if anyone wants to give it a try I will join. ------------- 
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Posted By: K_Mosley
Date Posted: 03-11-2008 at 9:14pm
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I'm actually going to review the Wii version. I really liked the vids on that.
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Posted By: Grambo Bastille
Date Posted: 03-12-2008 at 11:51am
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I was going to get it until my wife blew much of our tax money on a new
recliner yesterday. Of course, the recliner is an early birthday
present for me, so I'm not complaining ...... Anxious to hear how it is though. |
Posted By: GB_Simo
Date Posted: 03-12-2008 at 6:37pm
| Looking forward to hearing what you make of it, fellas. The PAL release felt an awful lot like Pro Evo 4 would have done if Konami had programmed the full-backs to pretend they were strikers every couple of minutes. |
Posted By: Brent
Date Posted: 03-12-2008 at 8:59pm
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Played a couple quick matches. I prefer the quicker speed and WE/PES gameplay to Fifas slow pace and questionable gameplay in the air, passing and when in control of a player. With that said it still feels a bit to fast for my taste and faster then previous editions? On the pitch I have not played enough to break down the AI outside that
it feels similar to what I have played in the past. Compared to Fifa 08, passing is much
better in this game, ball in air play is much better and the animations
are top notch. Nice for me to finally play a soccer game where I can
maneuver by the guy defending me. Also, and it may just be my limited time with the game but it appears to have cut down on the moon shots over the bar. A couple time I hit a shot that in previous editions would have ended up near Jupiter, only to have it skim the top or go wide. Playing on 3* or whatever they call it now and the AI play is more aggressive than in series past. I remember on the PS2/Xbox versions that the AI seemed content to play for a 0-0 draw if left to their desire (on that 3* rating). The big problem is that it is just hard to look at the game while trying to appreciate the good things. One thing missing from the options menu though (I am playing this on an HDTV) [ ] Please insert next gen, or heck, last gen grass textures, instead of this washed out mess that had me hearken back to my N64 days. Even worse you have to play from the farthest camera or the sluggish framerate really kicks in. What boggled my mind the most is that with the textures as bad as they are, there is actual pop-in at the top of the pitch as you move upwards. I will throw out more gameplay comments as I get some ore time with the game. I have to lead Dotan and his cronies to a World Cup. -------------
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Posted By: Brent
Date Posted: 03-14-2008 at 5:01pm
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If anyone gets this one I would like to try it out online. This one is a keeper as the gameplay/control is still far more enjoyable than Fifa08. Just wish it was not so hard on the eyes. -------------
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Posted By: TedSGN
Date Posted: 03-14-2008 at 5:52pm
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It's in my Q
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Posted By: Grambo Bastille
Date Posted: 03-16-2008 at 4:52pm
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Mine is on the way from GF. |
Posted By: Brent
Date Posted: 03-17-2008 at 9:39pm
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Let me know when you get it, itching to try it online even though I have not heard good things about it. -------------
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Posted By: Grambo Bastille
Date Posted: 03-18-2008 at 5:34pm
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Damn double posts. |
Posted By: Grambo Bastille
Date Posted: 03-18-2008 at 5:36pm
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I got my GF copy today and it isn't totally sucky. I noticed that
some leagues have the actual teams, if not the players. My
beloved PSG is represented. I have to admit that I chickened out
and played an exhibition on the easiest mode since FIFA owns me so
badly. I know I need to knock it up a notch or two, but once I
got into the flow, I was having fun with it. I may still wait to
see how the Euro game pans out before I decide whether this is a
purchase or not. Brent - maybe we can play sometime this weekend, once I get used to the controls. |
Posted By: Brent
Date Posted: 03-19-2008 at 12:07am
That would be great. Give it some time and it will grow on you. Licensed leaguesThe leagues below are fully licensed, and all teams from these leagues are licensed:
Due to the Fifa license with EA they can only have two English Premier teams licensed. What confuses me is how they are still able to have the actual players in the game on the unlicensed teams? All of Man Blue (Man City) actual players (names) are on the roster. -------------
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Posted By: K_Mosley
Date Posted: 03-19-2008 at 9:39am
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The team and player license is separate, I think. Years ago, several of the baseball games had the actual players, but made-up team names, like the Atlanta Warriors, or whatever.
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Posted By: Grambo Bastille
Date Posted: 03-19-2008 at 4:09pm
This is correct. At least in baseball, you have to deal with MLB itself and then deal separately with the Player's Union. I would imagine it is the same with soccer. |
Posted By: GB_Simo
Date Posted: 03-19-2008 at 4:17pm
| Indeed - the arrangement to use player names was always handled through FIFPro in the past. I don't pay enough attention these days to know if that still holds, but I don't recall ever hearing anything different. |
Posted By: TedSGN
Date Posted: 03-24-2008 at 9:45pm
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I went to the mainland Saturday and traded in FIFA 08 and NHL 08 (PS2) and picked up Pro Evo. I must say it feels good to be playing this franchise again. Second consecutive trip to Gamestop where they didn't harass me about pre-ordering anything even though they had signs up everywhere about Madden 09. If they keep this up I might just become a regular customer again. -------------
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Posted By: Brent
Date Posted: 03-24-2008 at 10:15pm
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http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9161/emailff6.png - Did you use the 10% coupon ? Still good and will probably stick around at the pace it has been available. Let me know when you want to try online. -------------
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Posted By: TedSGN
Date Posted: 03-24-2008 at 10:57pm
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Crap, I missed that coupon. Oh well. Want to try for a game of Pro Evo and catch up with NCAA on Tuesday 3/25? -------------
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Posted By: Brent
Date Posted: 03-24-2008 at 11:12pm
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Sounds good to me, just let me know when you are going to be online.
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Posted By: TedSGN
Date Posted: 03-24-2008 at 11:14pm
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Is 9 central good?
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Posted By: Brent
Date Posted: 03-25-2008 at 3:50am
Sounds good. 
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Posted By: Zeppo
Date Posted: 03-25-2008 at 4:56pm
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For the record, I'm loving this game. It took me a few days to adjust from FIFA and to the differences, including game speed, from last year's Konami game, but now I am absolutely loving it. It isn't perfect by any stretch, and there are plenty of oddities within. It is, however, strikingly more responsive and controllable than FIFA. I still really enjoy FIFA in its online team play form, but going back and forth now is making FIFA's flaws that much more frustrating than before I had PES. The weird things in PES are things I can adjust to happily, whereas the strange stuff in FIFA seems to me to be representative of core problems with the basic engine. I still feel like WE/PES is first and foremost a 'ball to player interaction simulator,' and after that a soccer game. The veritably infinite variety of interactions between ball and player is very striking to me, and refreshing. Among the things I notice so far in comparison to last year's game is that they have massively improved the player to player interaction and thus the fouling system. The little 'in the flow' improvements for foul calls and especially bookings, even ejections, seem like something very minor, but really these kinds of adjustments have a large effect on the overall experience. The expansion of the 2nd division in the ML is pretty small in relation to the improvements we'd all like to see, and right now with the default stiffs I hate that change, but I think in the end it will be a good thing for me. It's the gameplay, stupid! And this one, while maybe not the theoretically perfect simulation of real football, but it is a very solid system at its core, and the experience of messing around in it and discovering the wide array of differences among players and teams is tons of fun, for me. Too bad we aren't all Japan, so that we could all benefit from the best attention and effort from Konami. But hey, this thing is unique among sports games in my experience, and right now I'm loving it. |
Posted By: Brent
Date Posted: 03-26-2008 at 3:35am
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After playing a couple of matches of PES2008 online with Ted and some thought about our time with this mode, I have come up with this conclusion. Take the game Portal (from HL2) http://www.xgenstudios.com/play/portal - those who have not played it feel free and play the flash version here . Add about 30 more portals scattered throughout room. Throw in a second player, a soccer ball and a net at the end of each room. Anytime the two players collide in the room have the ball sputter out to a random portal. Make all players faces look like Scotty from Star Trek because you will spend most of your time screaming for that Motherf***** to quit beaming your arse all over the pitch. Voila... You have shared our PES2008 Online exerience last night. -------------
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-26-2008 at 8:43am
| I'm very , very interested in checking this out for the Wii, based on the cool way you controll your whole team with the Wii controllers. I may grab it today, actually. |
Posted By: TedSGN
Date Posted: 03-26-2008 at 9:43am
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I agree with Brent on this one online. The warping of players, the ball, and general feel of always being behind the action makes this very unenjoyable offline. I still really enjoy single player though. Note to all game developers: You need to place a priority on network coding from this day forward. Your game may be great, but if it is unplayable online it is going to slide way down in the review scores. -------------
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Posted By: Zeppo
Date Posted: 03-27-2008 at 11:16am
Here's the thing, though: if you want Konami to hear you, you have to post this in Japanese. Also, it would help to be in Japan at the time, and actually, if you could make online console gaming relevant in Japan beforehand, that would probably help your case.  Fact is, online console gaming just doesn't seem to matter in Asia, and I think there are very real cultural barriers to Japanese developers understanding why online console gaming matters in the West. Also, sales of this game in North America are as far down the totem pole for Konami as you could get. Apparently the J-League version of the game is outstanding, with a killer ML mode that mimics the real J- and K-Leagues, and a 'be a pro' style career mode. They also seem to release about four or five tweaked up versions of the game every year over there. We are an afterthought for them. I don't disagree that it sucks that they don't get it when it comes to online gaming, or the lack of licensing, or the minimal changes to the unrealistic ML, etc. etc. But I do think it's like talking to a wall to hope that Konami will listen to our complaints. Just the fact that they make NA wait until March to get the exact same game they release in Europe in October, and with the exact same August rosters (no January transfers), and no regionalization whatsoever (OK, last year they shoe-horned in some Fox Soccer Channel ad boards) indicates how far out of touch they are, and how little they care that they are. |
Posted By: TedSGN
Date Posted: 03-27-2008 at 4:03pm
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My comment was for all developers, not just Konami. As much flak as EA gets they certainly have done great network coding for NCAA and NHL. I can't tell the difference between online and offline.
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Posted By: Brent
Date Posted: 03-27-2008 at 5:26pm
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Google this Seabass オンライン演劇とのそんなにやめられた吸引。 Zeppo The flaw in your logic is Europe DOES matter to them and they are getting the same piss poor online play, which only forces people to sticking with their competition for online. -------------
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