Madden demo is out
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Topic: Madden demo is out
Posted By: Grambo Bastille
Subject: Madden demo is out
Date Posted: 07-31-2008 at 7:19am
| I'm downloading it now - 1.1 gig. |
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 07-31-2008 at 9:04am
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I downloaded it this morning and tried it out quickly before work. I wish they would have given us a gameplay demo instead of just 2 minutes after the training session.
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Posted By: Brent
Date Posted: 07-31-2008 at 11:08am
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Probably just going to wait for the game to come out at this point (Already have the 20th Aniv paid off). Had it been a regular demo I would have. ------------- 
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 07-31-2008 at 7:25pm
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I'm glad the "old" camera will be available in the full version. I'm not liking the new camera too much.
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Posted By: Brent
Date Posted: 07-31-2008 at 8:31pm
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Facebreaker demo is also up. Going to dl both while I work around the yard. -------------
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 07-31-2008 at 8:58pm
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Lots of drama starting for Madden now. From a Madden Senior Designer on OS: There are in fact no CPU sliders. I discovered this myself about 2 weeks ago as well, and was kind of wondering when I should break the news. I wish I had an explanation, but I don't. There's not all that much more I can say about it... There's one other bit of bad news that I discovered at the same time, and that is there is no custom controller configuration any more. Again, I don't really have an explanation. PS - In the build where I was adjusting sliders, I was adjusting User INT's to zero - so the human wouldn't pick off the QB as much (since I know people were originally concerned that the CPU QB threw too many picks). (ducks out of way of flying chairs) So anyway - I don't know what else to say really. http://www.operationsports.com/forums/2038557775-post137.html - Link ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/JasonSGN">
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Posted By: Brent
Date Posted: 07-31-2008 at 9:14pm
 That will be a fun thread.It's sliders, thankfully not a big issue for me. I can just see quote from EA CEO popping up... "I don't think the investors give a sh*t about our quality," Riccitiello admitted during a lengthy interview with http://venturebeat.com/2008/07/21/e3-perspective-an-interview-with-john-riccitiello-ceo-of-electronic-arts/ - VentureBeat . "They care about our earnings per share. They wait for it to happen. We had three years where we didn't make our expectations. If I were an investor, I would wait and see. That's fine with me." and Chief amongst Riccitiello's - and by extension EA's - regrets is throwing down big development bucks on 360 and PS3 games instead of Wii titles. ...we typically [figure] out who the market leader [is] going to be before the start of the cycle and bet with our development resources on that platform. We made the wrong call there (by betting on the PlayStation 3 and http://kotaku.com/tag/xbox-360/ - Xbox 360 ), which made this transition harder than it would otherwise be. Wii future...  Bill Abner takes down EA, one forum posts at a time.-------------
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Posted By: Jaredpk2000
Date Posted: 07-31-2008 at 11:05pm
| I thought the demo was alright, the new camera was definitely not a favorite of mine. |
Posted By: koebner
Date Posted: 08-01-2008 at 8:03am
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No cpu sliders at all? That AI that adjusts to you better be spot-on. Instead of actually getting better at the game, I'll be able to play a cpu that is gimping itself to make me feel better about my crummy skills. And if I still make terrible decisions, I can take a mulligan. This self-esteem stuff they teach in schools has trickled down to video games. |
Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 08-01-2008 at 8:08am
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There's a good possibility I may pass on Madden. It doesn't seem to offer anything more than NCAA Football, except pro teams.
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 08-01-2008 at 8:51am
I'm with you on this. I hate that 'feature' in video games. (See past Tiger Woods Tournamenet scoring, etc) Do you HAVE to have it on in Madden?
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Posted By: K_Mosley
Date Posted: 08-01-2008 at 11:13am
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I believe playing on the "my skills" skill level is what causes the computer to adjust to you. I'd assume that the other skill levels are the same. I'm gleaning that from Bill Abner's blog - I obviously don't have the game myself.
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Posted By: Brent
Date Posted: 08-01-2008 at 12:26pm
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Correct me if I am wrong, sliders aside, can you not just simply avoid the Madden IQ stuff and just play on one of the four difficulties (could have sworn you could but not really interested in delving into the 100 page threads over at OS). Edit: Oops just noticed Derek asked the same thing. -------------
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Posted By: Slumberland
Date Posted: 08-01-2008 at 3:02pm
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I tend to play these games on defaults, but the ruckus has been very entertaining.
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Posted By: Brent
Date Posted: 08-01-2008 at 3:15pm
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Just imagine if you could see some of the PM's sent to Ian or Phil. $50 there was at least one death threat. -------------
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Posted By: Mike_S
Date Posted: 08-01-2008 at 3:50pm
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Not completely correct for this thread, but seems to fit...I saw some
comments both here and at DigitalSportsPage about pre-release
complaints on the game... If you guys see stuff you don't like -- no CPU sliders, etc. -- vote with your money and time and don't buy the new versions of the game this year or ever. If the hardcores abandon the game completely, it will eventually lead to better quality. At least rent it first, then decide. Despite being a die-hard sports fan, and loving sports video games my whole life, I haven'tpersonally purchased an EA Sports product since NCAA 2003. And even that I knew was a probable-mistake at the time. Before that, probably the '98 versions or so. And before that, the '93 versions for Sega Genesis (which I actually got for free because I worked at EA at the time). And though I wish I had some great new video games to play, I'm so much happier playing High Heat 2004 and occasionally Winning Eleven 6, or just watching super-random stuff on ESPNU or CBSC or whatever than I ever could be wasting time and money on products I know will disappoint me and not be fun! :-) And just for grins, and way off-topic, my NCAA 2003 experience: First game. Having a terrible time learning and executing the controls. BC (me) leads UConn, 10-9, late in the game. I somehow intercept a pass at about my own 1 yard line and end up in my own endzone thanks to momentum, where I'm tackled. Safety called; it should have been a touchback by rule, but of course the game didn't call it correctly. Lose the game 11-10. The amazing part: I had seen the same exact bug in the series 5 years earlier, despite playing probably 5 games max. Albeit a small issue, it hadn't been fixed in 5 iterations of the game! That told me that they didn't care about gameplay details, which to me personally matter a ton. By contrast, I worked on a football game that was never released (likely the inspiration for the NFL Street series); the day we first saw that same bug in the office playing/testing the game it was fixed. If you care, vote with your pocketbooks. |
Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 08-01-2008 at 4:06pm
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Are you not a hockey fan, Mike? I think the EA hockey games have been pretty good. But yes, of course you are right, a wallet (not that there's anything wrong with carrying a pocketbook  ) is the best voice a consumer has.I love the online Nascar 09 play I've been having too, but the reports of the AI not being even able to drive on a road track pain me, not to mention the current glitch where profile saves get corrupted. I don't think these are minor things. |
Posted By: Grambo Bastille
Date Posted: 08-01-2008 at 4:30pm
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The way I look at it, I buy a game to have fun. If it's not
perfect, I have to weigh what I like vs. what I don't like about a
game. Before both Grid and NCAA were released, there were people
saying that there were glitches which made the game unplayable.
On both counts, I either didn't notice the glitch, or it wasn't that
important to me. The complaints I see about Madden don't really
bother me so far. I am a sub-average gamer, so the "perfections"
don't usually affect me for the most part. I did not buy Madden
last year (nor did I buy NCAA last year as well), but I like the
symmetry of both games enough to buy them every other year - the
symmetry being the ability to draft college players you have in NCAA
into Madden. The other thing I was attracted to was the collector's edition since I fully intended to buy Head Coach anyway. I have only purchased one other CE so far for the 360 because the extras are not usually worth it, but this one seems fun. To me, no game will ever be 100% perfect, but if I get a game and feel I play it enough to get my money's worth, then I am content. I am hoping Madden is that game. Oh, and I want to see the Pats kick the Giants ass! |
Posted By: Mike_S
Date Posted: 08-01-2008 at 4:33pm
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I like hockey ok, but it's not my favorite. To be honest, IMO,
the NHL series has always been the best of the EA-Sports games for "fun
factor". I just haven't been excited enough about NHL or the
games themselves to want to give it another try, I remember it being
fun with an opponent in an arcady-way, but less fun in 1-player mode. Also, I enjoy playing mostly single player games (which I'm told represents about 50% of the market in sports games). I can definitely see how some of these games would be more fun if you're playing against your brother or good friends online. BTW, are you old enough to have tried the early Wayne Gretzky Hockey games from the late '80s/early '90s on PC or Amiga ?!? Talk about fun factor through the roof!! Great AI, easy-to-learn-but-somewhat-deep controls, believable stats, etc. I played WGH II -- a DOS game!! -- for my PC for probably 10 years or more, talk about a high bar for EA NHL to try to match!! :-) Unfortunately, it had some PC-hardware-specific code in there and doesn't want to run under any DOS emulators I can find; and my original DOS-based 386 is recently dead and buried. :-( |
Posted By: TedSGN
Date Posted: 08-01-2008 at 7:30pm
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Mike, I was a die hard Wayne Gretzky Hockey player on the Amiga for several years. I even used the companion product Hockey League Manager which allowed you to do all the management stuff and then save it as a file. Then you would load the file in WGH and play the game and save the file. Then load it back into HLM and manage some more. It was very very deep and very cool. It took a lot of years to find a hockey game that I felt surpassed WGH in fun and realism and that was NHL 2k2 on the Dreamcast. WGH had the advantage of being 2D so that all of the play looked realistic and had statistical fidelity. ------------- 
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Posted By: Brent
Date Posted: 08-01-2008 at 8:57pm
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I think I am going to make a small change and just go with Madden 09. I really do not think Head Coach is for me with all the micro-managing that I would probably sim through anyway. Pretty sure I would get bored with this one pretty quickly. Plus I can use the extra money toward a 12+1 XBL card, mine runs out in a few weeks. Hey, at least I now get the box with Favre on the cover. Edit: I just remembered that I got one free month of XBL with the returned Xbox 360 from MS, I might just preorder TW09 instead. I also remembered that you can get the 12+1 at buy.com for $43.99, which includes shipping. -------------
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Posted By: Mike_S
Date Posted: 08-01-2008 at 9:26pm
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Ted: Of course I used the Hockey League Simulator as well and did the
same thing. :-) Additionally, you could buy updated player disks each
year, and on top of that they had a really easy-to-use roster editor so
when they eventually stopped making disks, you could still make your
own rosters. I kind-of agree with your comment about 2D helping it play realistically, IMO it's actually the camera angle and small players that did it, but I don't think 2D helped it attain statistical accuracy per se over a 3D game. I think they attained statistical accuracy because of the game design, the AI, and the tuning, which I'm pretty sure should have worked for 2D or 3D. Amazingly enough, the gameplay and fun-factor still holds up years later (at least the last time I played it which was a few years ago). This is true of many old DOS games (and early Gameboy games too) that HAD to have gameplay because they couldn't do much with high-end graphics!! Last for tonight: WGH III came out before I got into the industry, and when it did I was tremendously upset and bummed out. They went 3D, and in the process re-did pretty much all the AI and tuning. I'm not sure why they decided to do that, because except for the puck, hockey mostly happens in 2D anyway (since guys rarely jump). Anyway it was a completely different gameplay experience, and in the transition the game lost pretty much everything that to me made WGH and WGH II so great. So I sent a letter to Bethesda Softworks who made the game, praising them for WGH and WGH II and tearing them up for WGH III. It included point-by-point lists of what they had broken and why it was so tragic. A few weeks later they called me and offered me a job as an AP on the next version!! :-) I'm glad I didn't take it as that version never came out, and the series soon thereafter died. |
Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 08-01-2008 at 10:11pm
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Posted By: Fazeo
Date Posted: 08-04-2008 at 12:18pm
| Tried the demo, besides the graphics nothing else really impressed me about the game. The Test feature seemed useless and only being able to be on Offense in a football demo seems really stupid. I think I'll stick with NCAA 09 for now, it certainly is keeping me busy and entertained. |
Posted By: koebner
Date Posted: 08-05-2008 at 5:58am
Here is what I did;http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16874103030 Free shipping,too.I got it in less than a week. |