FlatOut week of 3-30!
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Topic: FlatOut week of 3-30!
Posted By: Derek
Subject: FlatOut week of 3-30!
Date Posted: 02-23-2009 at 6:38pm
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Up for another round of FlatOut this Wednesday, say 10pm EST? Lets see if we can get 4-5! ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/webdanzer"> 
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Posted By: TedSGN
Date Posted: 02-23-2009 at 8:02pm
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I should be there.
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Posted By: Slumberland
Date Posted: 02-23-2009 at 11:08pm
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Oh yes I can be there. ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/Slumberland"> 
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 02-27-2009 at 2:46pm
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I had a good time again when we played this on Wed. I tried a bump of an old thread over on DSP to get some more people possibly interested, as I really would like to see this continue for a while. With only three people we managed to have a really tight tourney, and some really close events! ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/webdanzer">
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 02-27-2009 at 9:50pm
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I'm going to look for this locally this weekend.
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 02-28-2009 at 8:32am
I downloaded the demo again and really enjoyed it this time. I'm not sure why I didn't like it the last time I tried it. Amazon has a 2-4 week delivery estimate for Flatout, so I really hope I can find it locally. ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/JasonSGN">
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 02-28-2009 at 9:17am
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Awesome, J! I've seen it in the malls, so I don't think it's too hard to find. ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/webdanzer">
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 02-28-2009 at 3:49pm
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My wife is heading to Walmart and I'm hoping they have a copy of Flatout. I've been playing the demo all day and fell in love with this game. How's the online play? Is it smooth like PGR4?
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Posted By: Grambo Bastille
Date Posted: 03-01-2009 at 9:48am
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Jason, have you ever tried the in-store availability features for some stores? I know Gamestop has it (for both new and used games) as well as Best Buy and Target. Wal-Mart is just starting to incorporate it for some of their locations. Circuit City had a great system as well, but I guess that is moot now.
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-01-2009 at 10:14am
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One of the Walmarts about 1/2 hour away from me shows it as available and Target doesn't have it at all. Best Buy is out of stock at all it's locations and I refuse to shop at Gamestop. I may make the trip down to Walmart though. I may try my local Target and Toys R Us first though. I really want this game now. ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/JasonSGN">
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Posted By: TedSGN
Date Posted: 03-01-2009 at 10:17pm
Smooth as silk. I have yet to see a stutter or lag and you know how I hate my connection and whine about it. -------------
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Posted By: Grambo Bastille
Date Posted: 03-02-2009 at 10:46am
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Man, I think I am the one that brought this game up as a possible fun one to play, and I have missed both nights so far! I so want to play this game online. Hopefully this can become an "SGN Classic" and have some legs for awhile.
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-02-2009 at 11:05am
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I would really like this to last too. I'd like to play it again this week, but I'll hold off on picking a day to see if Jason finds it and if you and Adam can join us, Grambo. ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/webdanzer">
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Posted By: Slumberland
Date Posted: 03-02-2009 at 11:17am
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If we do end up doing it this week, Thursday is best for me.
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-02-2009 at 11:25am
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Thursdays are usually my best days too, actually. ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/webdanzer">
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Posted By: Grambo Bastille
Date Posted: 03-02-2009 at 12:21pm
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Thursday sounds good, but I can do Wednesday as well this week.
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-02-2009 at 1:09pm
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The snow storm prevented me from looking for it today. I'm going to check a few places tomorrow when I go to get MLB 2K9.
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Posted By: Grambo Bastille
Date Posted: 03-02-2009 at 2:02pm
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Jason - they are still reporting ship date for MLB is the 3rd, in stores on the 4th ....
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-02-2009 at 3:41pm
If I get it for you and don't tell you where it came from, will you give me the $20 for it?
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-02-2009 at 4:53pm
Where did you see that. Target's flier had MLB 2K9 as being available on 3/3 at 8am. Kmart and Best Buy had it listed as available on 3/3 too. ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/JasonSGN">
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-02-2009 at 5:02pm
As long as it's a new, sealed copy. My biggest problem with Gamestop is playing full price for opened games. The Walmart that supposedly had it didn't have any. I may try TRU and Target today. ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/JasonSGN">
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Posted By: GB_Simo
Date Posted: 03-02-2009 at 6:34pm
Here in the UK, the only way to avoid that is to buy online. All of the specialist stores, supermarkets (from your post, it looks as though Walmart do new sealed copies? The supermarket they own here, Asda, does not) and general entertainment stores have display cases out and insert the disc and instruction manual at the till, and I suppose it's because this is the only way I've ever known it that I have never once considered this an issue.
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-04-2009 at 7:42am
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I just ordered it from Walmart.com. I should have it in time to race next week.
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-04-2009 at 5:58pm
My copy shipped from Walmart this afternoon. I should be ready for next week. ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/JasonSGN">
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Posted By: Slumberland
Date Posted: 03-05-2009 at 3:59pm
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Are we skipping tonight in preparation for a well-attended night next week? Next week I actually have a band practice from 7-10, wouldn't be back until 11pm. ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/Slumberland">
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-05-2009 at 4:21pm
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Yeah, I was thinking we wait and hope for a crowd! :)
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-07-2009 at 1:36pm
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My copy showed up today so I'm in this week!!!
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-07-2009 at 5:33pm
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This game is great!!! The graphics are beautiful, the frame rate is silky smooth and the gameplay is fun. I'm glad you guys convinced me to pick this up. I'm anxious to play online this week.
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-09-2009 at 8:13am
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So, when can folks play this week?
I can do today, Wednesday or Thursday.
Now that Jason has it, let's try for at least four racers. More if all our regulars show up and we get Grambo and/or Adam too!
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-09-2009 at 8:33am
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Any of those nights work for me if we start at 10pm or later.
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Posted By: Grambo Bastille
Date Posted: 03-09-2009 at 2:44pm
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Tonight is the only night I can't play - last week of my hockey league. After 10 is good for me as well, as long as my narcolepsy doesn't kick in and I fall asleep with my controller in my lap .....
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-09-2009 at 6:46pm
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How does wed work, then? 10:30 EDT? Grambo is out tonight, and Slumber is out for some of Thurs.
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-09-2009 at 6:51pm
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Wednesday is good for me. I have a question about the game. In the manual, it says you can turn nitro and damage on/off, but in the game the options are 0% - 2%. I understand how those options effect the nitro, but I see no difference in damage. Even if I set it at 0%, there's still damage. ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/JasonSGN">
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Posted By: TedSGN
Date Posted: 03-09-2009 at 8:40pm
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I can make Wed and Jake is looking for the game as well so he might be joining us.
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Posted By: Slumberland
Date Posted: 03-09-2009 at 9:16pm
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Wednesday good! ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/Slumberland">
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Posted By: Grambo Bastille
Date Posted: 03-10-2009 at 4:03pm
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Wednesday is good for me.
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-11-2009 at 10:18am
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Well hell, there's a decent chance I may not make it on tonight. My kids have been sick with chest colds, and have been up coughing/crying the past couple of nights, leaving my wife and I with little sleep. Assuming the trend continues this evening, I'll need to be up and down to help with the kids.
I will still try to be there, but if I'm not on by like 10:35 or so someone else should host and run the games. I don't want to lose the enthusiasm for this!
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Posted By: Slumberland
Date Posted: 03-11-2009 at 10:38am
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Nooooooooooooooooo
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-11-2009 at 2:26pm
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Hopefully you can make it. I'll host if we need someone to do it.
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-11-2009 at 2:56pm
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I hope I can make it too. If the kids happen to be asleep for that hour, I'll be there. I really like this game on Live!
But my selfish/heel dial doesn't go high enough to allow me to sit around playing videogames leaving my (also now sick) wife alone to struggle with the poor young'uns on her own.
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Posted By: Slumberland
Date Posted: 03-11-2009 at 8:50pm
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I'm having some unforeseen dinner and scheduling issues with the wife arriving at home from class later than anticipated, and fish sticks in the oven. I will try to get on at 10 but I'm not sure what's going to happen! ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/Slumberland">
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Posted By: TedSGN
Date Posted: 03-11-2009 at 9:09pm
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Guys, I am just in a horribly foul mood tonight and don't think this will cheer me up either. I'm gonna bail on it, but if you play tomorrow or next week I'll be around. I'll have daughters visiting next week and if I can guest them into our game I know at least one of them would be up for it too.
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-11-2009 at 10:48pm
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I made it on, and Jason, Grambo and I had a really fun time. One of these days we'll manage to get all of us on! Sorry to hear about your mood, Ted. Hope those fish sticks were tasty, Slumber! ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/webdanzer">
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Posted By: Slumberland
Date Posted: 03-12-2009 at 10:09am
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Haw! I popped on for about ten minutes at 10:20, but it looked like things hadn't coalesced. What time did it get going? ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/Slumberland">
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-12-2009 at 10:54am
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We were all on at 10:30. I had some problems connecting to Jason's room, but things were fine once we scrambled that and I hosted. I guess we got actually racing around 10:40. Hey, since most of who I hope will be the 'regulars' have tried this online at least once, now, I'd like feedback on how I'm setting up the nights. Each week so far I've run 8 events: 3 Races, 3 Derbies, and 2 Stunts. Of the Races, 2 are regular and one is head-on. I'll rotate through the various stunts as we play. How does that seem to everyone? Do we want more events or less? More or less of any specific type? Right now I'm limiting cars to be the same as host to prevent guys from getting advantages in car type, but after we've played longer we can disable that. Also, lets try to suck a couple of more folks into this!  Jake or Fazeo, maybe? ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/webdanzer">
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Posted By: TedSGN
Date Posted: 03-12-2009 at 11:10am
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Jake is still looking for the game. I might buy it from GF and order another rental if he can't find it locally.
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-12-2009 at 12:04pm
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Last night was a lot of fun. You guys were right, this game plays great online. Derek, I had no problem with the events you choose last night and enjoyed them all, especially since I had never tried the derbies or stunts. I like the idea of locking everyone into the same car for now. ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/JasonSGN">
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-12-2009 at 12:14pm
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I kinda like ending with a Derby, too. Because you can somewhat target who you go after, it gives the leaders going into the last round something to worry about! ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/webdanzer">
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Posted By: ScoopBrady
Date Posted: 03-14-2009 at 11:41pm
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-15-2009 at 8:07am
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Scoop, I just purchased Flatout to race online with these guys and it was great decision. Besides being a lot of fun, the game plays great online too. If you have any trouble finding it locally, Walmart and Amazon both have it in stock online. This game is well worth the $20 even if it didn't have online play.
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-15-2009 at 11:35am
Scoop!!!  I think it plays great on line, and we'd love to see you! Hopefully you can find it! If not, there are plenty in stores by me and I wouldn't mind grabbing one and sending it to you, if you don't mind used copies. Flatout doesn't have all of the EOD events, obviously, but it is great smash-em-up fun. The cars' handling demands more patience and commitment that say, Burnout, but it's not unwieldy and there is a great reward when you learn to powerslide these beasts nimbly around a corner. Doesn't take as much skill, but it's also fun to ram a T-Bone a pickup truck into a gas pump to win a demolition derby, either. ;) Then, of course, you have all the Stunt mini-games... ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/webdanzer">
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-15-2009 at 1:19pm
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Derek, I tried the wheel this morning and the force feedback is very strong. I'll take a little getting used to, but this game can be even more fun with the wheel.
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Posted By: TedSGN
Date Posted: 03-15-2009 at 7:01pm
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Jake found a copy today. He'll start to join us as well.
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-15-2009 at 7:25pm
That's great. This week should be a lot of fun!!! ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/JasonSGN">
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-16-2009 at 10:26am
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So, how are we looking for this week? Wednesday, 10:30 PM EDT?
I can do Thurs too, and play with the times a little bit, but Tues and Friday are out.
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-16-2009 at 10:37am
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That works for me.
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Posted By: Slumberland
Date Posted: 03-16-2009 at 11:09am
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I can do Thursday this week, but not Wednesday (I have a show).
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Posted By: TedSGN
Date Posted: 03-16-2009 at 11:35am
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Tuesday and Friday are always out for us (IL2 squad). Wednesday works. Thursday is iffy right now.
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Posted By: Slumberland
Date Posted: 03-16-2009 at 12:04pm
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Roll with Wednesday and I'll see if I can make it on in time.
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Posted By: TedSGN
Date Posted: 03-16-2009 at 1:50pm
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Seth, Thursday may very well be doable. Its a question of if I'll be on the island in time or not.
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Posted By: ScoopBrady
Date Posted: 03-16-2009 at 7:14pm
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-18-2009 at 1:39pm
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So, are we trying tonight or waiting for tomorrow?
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-18-2009 at 1:55pm
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Either night works for me. I'll see if anyone's on at 10:30 tonight.
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Posted By: TedSGN
Date Posted: 03-18-2009 at 2:03pm
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Jake and I can play tonight. I might even be able to play tomorrow if you do a double.
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-18-2009 at 2:42pm
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-18-2009 at 2:43pm
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Maybe we'll shoot for 2, then! :) Okay, i'll setup the room right around 10:25 or so. Then maybe again tomorrow! Hope to see a bunch of you there! ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/webdanzer">
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Posted By: ScoopBrady
Date Posted: 03-18-2009 at 4:53pm
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Posted By: TedSGN
Date Posted: 03-18-2009 at 5:23pm
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Posted By: Grambo Bastille
Date Posted: 03-18-2009 at 6:05pm
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I hope to be around tonight and tomorrow. Long day, so no promises on tonight though.
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-18-2009 at 6:24pm
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Posted By: GB_Simo
Date Posted: 03-18-2009 at 8:30pm
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Despite being Web's second-in-command when we first tried to get this going way back when, I've still not ran Flatout online. Currently I'm really struggling to get any sleep at all, so if I'm still up in an hour (Web, you're ET, aren't you? Clocks already gone forward an hour, is that right?) shoot me an invite and I'll be my usual mic-less and on this occasion probably clueless self for the duration.
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-18-2009 at 9:02pm
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Yep. I'm eastern Daylight. We'll be running in about 1/2 hour from when this post hits. I'll definitely shoot you an invite if I see you!
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-18-2009 at 10:25pm
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Great racing tonight. 7 guys is a ton of fun. Hopefully we'll get a full room tomorrow too.
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-18-2009 at 10:30pm
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Yeah, that was mega-fun! Hopefully we can keep it going weekly for a while now. As some of you guys newer to the game get used to the different tracks and events and stuff, feel free to suggest tracks and races and whatnot. Right now the 8 event tourneys seem to be right around a good length, though maybe we could stretch it a couple of events more. In any case, good times!!! ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/webdanzer">
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-19-2009 at 6:10am
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Maybe we should bump it up to 10 events. It takes us around 40 minutes to do the current 8.
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Posted By: Slumberland
Date Posted: 03-19-2009 at 8:23am
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Oh man I'm sorry I missed it... didn't get back home from the show until 11:30. Is anyone going again tonight?
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Posted By: TedSGN
Date Posted: 03-19-2009 at 1:57pm
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I think a few of us are trying to make it. I now I can. Jake is iffy.
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-19-2009 at 2:45pm
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I'll be there.
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-19-2009 at 3:43pm
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Posted By: Grambo Bastille
Date Posted: 03-19-2009 at 5:04pm
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I am going to try and be there. I worked at my daughter's preschool today and those 17 little monsters, um, I mean angels really ran me ragged!
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Posted By: GB_Simo
Date Posted: 03-19-2009 at 10:05pm
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Posted By: TedSGN
Date Posted: 03-19-2009 at 11:59pm
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I'm really sorry guys. I fell asleep this afternoon a didn't wake up until 10 pm local.
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-20-2009 at 6:11am
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Sorry I didn't make it last night. I had to leave early for work today and went to bed early.
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-20-2009 at 12:05pm
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I ended up with a kid in the ER. :(
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Posted By: TedSGN
Date Posted: 03-20-2009 at 2:21pm
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Man Derek...........I hope they're ok.
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-20-2009 at 3:02pm
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Sorry to hear that. My son's had pneumonia twice and was hospitalized on of those times. Hope they get better soon.
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-20-2009 at 3:54pm
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Thanks, guys. I guess pediatric pneumonia is not as rare as I thought, and usually not as dangerous in kids as it is in adults, but it's still nothing to mess around with.
Thankfully, the IV antibiotics they gave him seemed to do the trick, as he was already much more with it when he got home at 3:30 AM than he was when we brought him in around 10:15 or so.
My older boy (who was diagnosed with it last week) is already doing better, so it looks like they'll both be okay soon. I guess once you get this, though, you are more prone to getting it again. Since your son has had it twice, I guess you have kinda found that to be the case too, Jason? That stinks. Do you take any special precautions now or anything?
The school nurse had seen a few cases of this already this year, easily the worst she had ever seen.
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Posted By: TedSGN
Date Posted: 03-20-2009 at 4:11pm
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D, I had pneumonia when I was 11 and subsequently have had twice as an adult (1992 and 2002) so maybe it is true that you are more susceptible to it once you have had.
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-20-2009 at 4:20pm
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Posted By: TedSGN
Date Posted: 03-20-2009 at 5:27pm
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No, but I was real close the second time. Coughing blood and really had a hard time breathing. Might have been kept in a hospital if I had gone to an ER, but I went to a clinic in a "poor" part of town and they kind of scolded me and sent me home with antibiotics. I just remember being barely able to walk I was so short of breath. My sister also had pneumonia when she was 8 and was hospitalized, but she hasn't gotten it since. -------------
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-20-2009 at 5:35pm
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We took my son to a pulmonary specialist last year and everything seemed to be okay. We do make him use a nebulizer whenever he's congested now.
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-23-2009 at 3:17pm
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Approaching racetime again, boys! Shall we stick with Wed, 10:30 EDT? That worked out well last week!
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Posted By: TedSGN
Date Posted: 03-23-2009 at 3:35pm
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I can make it.
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Posted By: JasonSGN
Date Posted: 03-23-2009 at 3:49pm
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I'll be there.
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-25-2009 at 1:02pm
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Just a quick bump to let folks know I still plan on being there tonight. Hope to see a bunch of us! ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/webdanzer">
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Posted By: TedSGN
Date Posted: 03-25-2009 at 4:26pm
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Jake and I will both be there. 7:30?
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-25-2009 at 4:42pm
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Yep! 10:30 EDT!
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Posted By: Grambo Bastille
Date Posted: 03-25-2009 at 4:44pm
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I plan on being there! ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/grambo+bastille">
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Posted By: Slumberland
Date Posted: 03-25-2009 at 4:56pm
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Like the cylons, I have a plan. And mine is to be there.
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Posted By: Derek
Date Posted: 03-25-2009 at 6:09pm
If only Ron Moore had one...  ------------- http://profile.mygamercard.net/webdanzer">
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