Reminder Wednesday 8/13 is racing at Phoenix

Edit - When I saw the car in front of me hitting the wall MORE than me, it was ME who still fell far behind.  I suck, but I don't suck that bad.  I won't race unless there is some kind of equalizer.

Originally posted by TedSGN For the record I was one of the drivers who reset their performance points to zero.

OK, cool, but why does setting up the car make for a fair league?

There is a difference between putting time in, and setting something up to your advantage!  In the NCAA dynasty, we all start with "equal" teams.  You put time in nascar and you have a 4 second per lap advantage, and take away AI cars because you tire of the yellow flags.  Yeah, it's a lot of fun kicking the crap out of the competition.  In NCAA I would love to take a 90+ team against your 70+ team but you know what, it isn't fair!  Then you bitch because someone wants to have an alternate plan to support those who can't make it every week.  Sorry, I love to play, I want to win, but don't expect it.  But when I play against those who HAVE to win no matter who it pisses off, then I don't want to play.

In my youth, I was a championship racquetball player.  Yeah, I loved to win the tournaments against those who were the same level as me, but when I played those below me, I treated it as a learning experience for them, and a growth experience for me.  The ONLY way this league would be fair is if everyone was on an even level, setup wise, and then let's see who is the real good racer.

Originally posted by Grambo Bastille   The ONLY way this league would be fair is if everyone was on an even level, setup wise, and then let's see who is the real good racer.

Let me be absolutely clear on this.  This is not going to happen.

Grambo, if we knew each other a little longer I think you would realize I am in no way a cut throat competitor.  I've learned from my friend, Brent, that sometimes we don't come across well on the forums.  If you have the idea that I'm in this to win at all costs you are very mistaken.

I misspoke when I implied the league wasn't fair.  It is completely fair.  It was fair the moment we all opened the Nascar package.  As long as you have access to  information about cars (internet) you have the same access to the information that I have used to setup my races.  I'm not exploiting any glitches or bugs.  Because I choose to spend some of my time learning about what camber and caster do instead of fishing for crab I probably have an advantage over you.  That doesn't mean it isn't fair.  And I'm not suggesting for you to not play other games.  You do what is fun for you.  Do you think I run offline and tweak because I have to win?  I do it because it is fun and relaxing to turn laps.  Makes me a weirdo I know.

I don't have a 4 second per lap advantage.  Most of the time my car is 1 second better than what I can run on veteran AND more stable and able to run multiple grooves. 

I did not ask to take the AI away as you stated.  I believe that was asked for by Fazeo and Jason and I was willing to go along for a 3 race test.  Since we experienced a better race without the AI we decided to keep it that way.

I did not "bitch" when Jason asked for an alternate scoring system using an average instead of total points.  I stated I was against it and why and other members also said they were not for it.

What seems to be the straw that broke the camel's back is your finish at Texas, 6 laps off the lead.  I had a tweaked setup.  I think Fazeo had a tweaked setup.  I think Jason ran on Veteran.  I'm assuming you ran on veteran.  How does Jason finish on the lead lap with a stock setup.  How does Fazeo finish a lap down with a tweaked one?  How do you and Jason finish 6 laps apart with the same setup?  Is there any chance, any chance at all, that since we had to restart the race you may have just been on the rookie setup?

Just to reiterate, we took away performance points the first time because there was an exploit (the superspeedway engine bug).  We took away AI because we were constantly running under yellow which isn't racing and was very dull and the AI were causing problems on restarts and when they go to pit (they stay out in traffic and slow to 55 while still on the track and turn into the pits late).  We are not taking away custom setups because they are not an exploit and are not causing the races to be uncompetitive, despite what you say.

I would hate to see anyone leave the league.  The more the merrier I say.  However, if you want to take your car and go home because you aren't having fun it is your prerogative.  If you are doing it to make a statement about fairness it won't change anything.  Jason has given me responsibilities to run the leagues as I see fit.  If he wants to change that it is his right.  It's his site.  Barring that I'm sticking fast on this.

That's another point I forgot to mention.  Grambo, your car will be faster if you turn off all the assists.  Derek's experience before and after doing so was like night and day.  To have the fastest possible car you should be running pro style, legend difficulty (no assists), and veteran or tweaked setup.